Commodore financial history, 1978-1994

Last Updated on January 27, 2019 by Dave Farquhar

Commodore’s rise and fall are legendary, at least to people like me who grew up using their computers. Putting numbers to that rise and fall was more difficult. I dug up the Commodore financial history from 1978-1994 to help quantify that spectacular rise and fall.

It’s noteworthy that I had a hard time finding some of this information. I don’t think Irving Gould, Commodore’s chairman and largest shareholder, wanted people to know this stuff.

Year over year revenue and profit

Commodore revenue and profit, 1978-1994
Commodore made a lot of money from 1978 to 1994 but sure didn’t keep much of it. It peaked in 1984, plateaued for a few years, then fell off the cliff.

Try as I might, I couldn’t find financial information for 1977. Commodore certainly accepted orders for the PET 2001 in the 1977 fiscal year, though it was well into the 1978 fiscal year when Commodore got around to making and shipping them. But data from 1978 to 1994 is better than piecemeal data. The data is in graphical form in the chart to the right, and in the table below.


Some of these numbers are approximate. I found conflicting information sometimes, but the numbers were always within a few hundred thousand dollars of each other.

Look at the profit margins. Commodore always had razor-thin margins. Even in their best years, 1981-1984, at the height of the VIC-20 and C-64’s success, they lived with 11-13 percent profit margins. They sold billions of dollars worth of computers but only had tens of millions of dollars to show for it. Compaq sold a lot fewer computers in 1983-86 but set records doing it.

Jack Tramiel’s departure

Then, in 1984, after Jack Tramiel left, the margins got much worse. Several reasons for Tramiel’s departure came out over the years:

  • Objections to Irving Gould using Commodore money as his own
  • He wanted to issue more stock to pay down debt
  • A desire for his sons to have leadership roles in the company

Tramiel’s sons dismiss #3 as a Gould-produced rumor. Two of them didn’t even work for Commodore at the time. There’s a quote floating around that Leonard Tramiel didn’t even work for Commodore at the time, but Leonard Tramiel contacted me and told me that while he and his brother Garry had both worked for Commodore, in 1984 only Sam Tramiel still did.

When the Commodore 64 cost $595 at retail, there were rumors that it cost $135 to make the machines. We know that Commodore’s engineers made less than $60,000 a year. So it doesn’t make a lot of sense that Commodore was selling hundreds of thousands of machines at 440% markup and only getting a 13 percent return on its investment. Commodore wasn’t wholesaling those machines for 13% higher than the cost to make them. The 64’s price dropped over time, and its margin dropped slightly, but when it was selling for $149, it cost about $35 to make. That’s still a 425% markup, and the volume was higher at that price.

The numbers are more fair if we use the 64’s wholesale cost over time, but I don’t have that information. But it’s clear Commodore enjoyed better margins than today’s makers of budget computers. And yet, they didn’t survive.

Where the money went

So where did the money go?

We know Commodore had a lot of debt. Interest rates in the 1980s were rather high, so that likely cut into the profits. Tramiel and Gould probably didn’t see eye to eye on this because some of Commodore’s debt was owed to other companies that Gould controlled.

We know that Gould never spent more than three days in a single country in a given week to avoid taxes, and he used a plane that Commodore either owned or leased to travel between Canada, the United States, and the Bahamas. For a time, Commodore leased the plane from another Gould-controlled company at about the same rate as a charter plane would cost. But the charter plane would have included fuel.

The 1985-1986 slump

The 64K Commodore Plus/4 was the flagship of the ill-fated TED machines. Its ahead-of-its-time appearance couldn’t save its lack of compatibility with other machines, making it a $299 solution in search of a problem.

Commodore lost hundreds of millions of dollars in 1985 and 1986. Part of that problem may have been hangover from the ill-fated TED machines. Another part was that the 64 didn’t have the price point and sales volume to carry the company on its own. Also in 1986, Kmart stopped selling the Commodore 64. Kmart once sold huge numbers of 64s as a loss leader and made it up by selling peripherals and software. Losing that volume hurt 64 sales.

The 128 more than met its sales goals. The other big problem was the Amiga. It was late in 1985 and sold poorly in 1986.

Doing the math, it seems to me that with Commodore’s margins, it needed to be a billion-dollar company in 1985 and 1986 to be profitable, and it fell short. If they’d hit a billion dollars in sales, it stood to reason they would have made 100 million in profit like they did in 1984. They missed by 200 million, so they lost 100 million those years.

Commodore leadership

Commodore’s presidents during that time tried to cut costs. Gould disagreed, wanting them to increase sales. Ultimately he fired them. But looking at the math, it’s hard to argue with the approach. It’s easier to cut costs than it is to increase sales. And most of the people Gould hired knew more about money than they knew about computers.

Then again, Tramiel wanted to cut costs too. Gould wanted yes-men and kept getting guys who found the same things Tramiel did.

It seems like the same 1985-86 logic applies to 1990. Revenue dropped by about $52 million from the previous year and profits dropped by about $48.5 million. The next year, in 1991, they hit a billion dollars and they made about $50 million. That’s far too little considering the price of Amigas at the time. But by then, Gould was paying himself and his allies a lot more than their peers at larger computer companies made.

One last hope

1992 was the last good year. That was the year the Amiga 1200 and 4000 finally came out. Commodore sold a million Amigas that year, and had a profit of $27 million to show for it. The profit was disappointing. Perhaps it shouldn’t have been, because Commodore never saw another one.

This shouldn’t be surprising. PC clones were catching up with the Amiga in capability. And every consumer electronics store and warehouse club in the country sold cheap PCs from Packard Bell. These PCs were low quality, but they cost hundreds less than an Amiga and Commodore’s dealer network couldn’t match the convenience. Packard Bell beat Commodore at the game it invented in the 1980s.

Commodore Amiga CD32
Commodore needed to sell 400,000 Amiga-based CD game consoles in 1993 to survive. It only managed to sell around 100,000 due to a combination of cash flow and legal problems.

In 1993, Commodore hit negative equity. It didn’t have to work out that way. There was still demand for the Amiga 1200 and 4000 computers. And Commodore reworked the Amiga 1200 into a nifty game console called the CD32. If Commodore sold 400,000 CD32s, it would stay afloat.

But to hear former Commodore employees talk, finding the money just to build those 400,000 units was going to be a problem. Then legal problems kept them from introducing it in the United States. They sold 100,000 units in Europe, where it outsold Sega’s Mega CD console. But it was too little, too late. There was a time when Commodore could easily sell 100,000 units a month, but 1993 wasn’t it.

Out with a whimper

Commodore limped into 1994 on borrowed money and went out of business in April. It was an inglorious end to the company that made color graphics and sound standard features on computers, and introduced consumers to pre-emptive multitasking, stereo sound, and video editing.

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4 thoughts on “Commodore financial history, 1978-1994

  • September 1, 2016 at 9:19 pm

    This is a fantastic write-up. I would love to give it a wider audience some day.

    Congrats on an excellent work of journalism.

    • September 1, 2016 at 10:31 pm

      Thank you, Steven. Coming from you that’s a tremendous compliment.

      Steven is the co-creator of the Long Term Quality Index, which I’ve written about before. It’s the result of gathering data from more than a million used cars. If you’re in the market for a car, see what Steven Lang has to say about it first.

  • March 31, 2018 at 6:25 am

    What are the primary sources of revenues and profits data for Commodore you’ve brilliantly analyzed in this post? Thank you so much.

    • March 31, 2018 at 2:46 pm

      Commodore’s annual shareholder reports were the primary sources. They can be difficult to find but do turn up from time to time. In some cases I had to use news accounts of the day to fill in some gaps. The New York Times, Wall Street Journal, and Philadelphia Inquirer all reported on Commodore regularly in the 1980s and 1990s.

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