Comments on: So why are Apple and Google (and Microsoft) tracking us? https://dfarq.homeip.net/so-why-are-apple-and-google-and-microsoft-tracking-us/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=so-why-are-apple-and-google-and-microsoft-tracking-us David L. Farquhar on technology old and new, computer security, and more Tue, 30 Oct 2018 01:27:32 +0000 hourly 1 By: Bill James https://dfarq.homeip.net/so-why-are-apple-and-google-and-microsoft-tracking-us/#comment-6786 Thu, 28 Apr 2011 05:35:52 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=3361#comment-6786 My understanding has been that cell tower triangulation can narrow location to about a city block best case. True satellite based GPS, a couple meters. So do cell phones these days contain real GPS receivers? If so then no need for cell tower triangulation or other assists. Probably a misnomer to call assisted triangulation A-GPS, but, if tower triangulation is the baseline then correlation with know locations of wifi hot spots could pinpoint a phone within its footprint or approximately 50 meters. Triangulating hot spots could further reduce the error. Down to 10 meters perhaps? Just a guess. Good enough to push location based advertising to the phone, tablet, what have you. Also works to lesser degree with devices that are wifi only. Billboards are so yesterday when Pablos Taco Wagon is having a two for one Burrito special just two blocks ahead on the right. Would you like directions? If you have a Near Field Communications chip (NFC) in your phone, you can use that instead of a (physical) credit card and Google (or somebody) will process the payment from you to Pablo easy peasy.

One scenario.

If Apple and android encrypts, would that make any difference in your privacy? Only the hackers would be left out.

And you, since you won’t be able to decrypt the data the device stores either, which leaves this a vehicle of transport that could contain virtually any type of information and you would be none the wiser. Perhaps these third parties would be willing to share their keys with you, or you with them? On the other hand who says these packets of info must be held in a stored file when it could as well be held in memory for transfer at next opportunity if not relayed in (the case of always on cellular connections) near real time?

At its fundamental we should note the distinction between data collection and dissemination within an application versus an operating system. If we are using Google Maps for example, then yes we would likely wish to provide our location information. Saves us having to input the information ourselves and thus a convenience feature. Might want to have the option though. Outside of userland applications? Full time tracking by the OS? Must it be an either/or proposition where we maintain some control over our privacy only at the expense of reduced functionality? Something of a question hardly worth the bother of debate if location tracking is “in application” only and turned off by default. Let the user “opt in” by their program selections and alternately, by their informed approvals wherever location features might be considered optional and not implicit by definition given the core functionality of the program itself.

I have never been a fan of “opt out” whenever users might not realize they have been opted into something by default and small print legalese within click through agreements don’t count in my estimation. I certainly do question location tracking as a core function of an OS and likewise question the motives of any entity that puts it there.

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By: Dave Farquhar https://dfarq.homeip.net/so-why-are-apple-and-google-and-microsoft-tracking-us/#comment-6785 Thu, 28 Apr 2011 03:34:40 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=3361#comment-6785 In reply to joseph.

Triangulating against cell phone towers definitely works, and it’s a common tactic in search and rescue missions. But it’s not as accurate as they show on TV–triangulating against available cell towers gets you in the vicinity. Add wi-fi access points to the mix and you can narrow it down a little more. In reality, if the bad guy is at 18th and Vine, triangulation can tell you that, but not which of the four buildings he’s in. Not with certainty. And it certainly can’t tell you what table he’s eating dinner at. On the flip side, I’m sure people who’ve gotten lost in the woods appreciated the rescuers being able to zone in on an area based on a cell phone signal. It’s a two-edged sword. If I were lost in the woods, I’d turn off my phone to save battery power, then turn it back on once I knew someone was looking for me.

But yeah, I’m mostly interested in keeping the hackers out. I have no reason to fear the authorities. Once when someone threatened to call the cops on me, I held out my phone to her and said here, go ahead, call. It’s people with a grudge and no accountability that I fear. And if one of them got hold of my phone and learned more about my daily habits from it, I’d really have reason to be afraid. I’ve been followed by spooks and I’ve been followed by thugs with grudges. I won’t go into the details of either, but I’d much rather have the spooks.

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By: joseph https://dfarq.homeip.net/so-why-are-apple-and-google-and-microsoft-tracking-us/#comment-6784 Thu, 28 Apr 2011 00:42:10 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=3361#comment-6784 I was a rotary phone person until just a few years ago so I don’t know much about iphones, etc. Is the present day cell phones better than the ones on Law and Order that could be tower triangulated to find the bad guy?
If Apple and android encrypts would that make any difference in your privacy? Only the hackers would be left out.

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