Comments on: Joel Osteen considered https://dfarq.homeip.net/joel-osteen-considered/?utm_source=rss&utm_medium=rss&utm_campaign=joel-osteen-considered David L. Farquhar on technology old and new, computer security, and more Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:20:59 +0000 hourly 1 By: Anonymous https://dfarq.homeip.net/joel-osteen-considered/#comment-5820 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:20:59 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=1759#comment-5820 In reply to Anonymous.

Now there’s so much wrong with the Copeland situation that I’m almost speechless. There’s no reason for churches to be building mansions.

I see little difference between what Copeland is doing and the events during the Middle Ages that led to the Protestant Reformation.

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By: Anonymous https://dfarq.homeip.net/joel-osteen-considered/#comment-5819 Wed, 30 Jul 2008 02:06:08 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=1759#comment-5819 In reply to Anonymous.

Exactly. Lutherans lump me into the "church growth" movement, mostly because I think a church ought to be able to support more than a membership of about 200. But there are two types of growth, and they’re both important: the personal growth of the people attending the church, and the growth in numbers. Growth purely for growth’s sake isn’t healthy.

On Sunday morning after I watched Meet the Press, I flipped through the channels and Osteen was on one of them. I guess I should have given him five minutes, but I didn’t.

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By: Anonymous https://dfarq.homeip.net/joel-osteen-considered/#comment-5818 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 21:50:11 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=1759#comment-5818 In reply to Anonymous.

It sounds like Osteen is building his megachurch by preaching what people want to hear, rather than what God needs us to hear. I’m Catholic, but I don’t go to church to get my ego stroked and told that I deserve great things. I go to Church to be reminded that if I live a good life, do good, help others, and keep my nose clean, I might get those rewards, later rather than sooner.

Osteen seems to be the type of fellow who wants a big church – I don’t know what that says, but I suspect it gets him a bigger income…

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By: Anonymous https://dfarq.homeip.net/joel-osteen-considered/#comment-5817 Sat, 26 Jul 2008 17:24:38 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=1759#comment-5817 In reply to Anonymous.

UPDATE:
From fiction to fact.

AP IMPACT: Relatives of televangelist prosper
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20080726/ap_on_re_us/rel_prosperity_preacher;_ylt=AitBQaJdUmTCzOhBBblF4Kes0NUE

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By: Anonymous https://dfarq.homeip.net/joel-osteen-considered/#comment-5816 Fri, 25 Jul 2008 23:45:03 +0000 https://dfarq.homeip.net/?p=1759#comment-5816 Osteen is a artist in a long line of con artists.

"To one who had never made more than five thousand a year himself, it was inspiring to explain before dozens of popeyed and admiring morons how they could make ten thousand — fifty thousand — a million a year, and all this by the Wonder Power of Suggestion, by Aggressive Personality, by the Divine Rhythm, in fact by merely releasing the Inner Self-shine. … In some ways he preferred New Thought to standard Protestantism. It was safer to play with. He had never been sure but that there might be something to the doctrines he had preached as an evangelist. Perhaps God really had dictated every word of the Bible. Perhaps there really was a hell of burning sulphur. Perhaps the Holy Ghost really was hovering around watching him and reporting. But he knew with serenity that all of his New Thoughts, his theosophical utterances, were pure and uncontaminated bunk. No one could deny his theories because none of his theories meant anything… How agreeable on bright winter afternoons in the gilt and velvet elegance of the lecture hall, to look at smart women and moan, ‘And, oh my beloved, can you not see, do you no perceive, have not your earth-bound eyes ingathered, the supremacy of raja’s quality which each of us, by that inner contemplation which is the all however cloaked by the seeming, can consummate and build loftily to higher aspiring spheres?’" XVI-2, p. 224.
Elmer Gantry

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