| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, December 06 2002 @ 04:52 PM CST |
| Interesting, thanks :) I'd like to hear from more real end-uers, too. Especially about how good the on-board audio is. Searched Google for reviews of the SiS 630T chipset and didn't see that mentioned on way or the other... [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, December 06 2002 @ 07:07 PM CST |
Should indeed "always run Windows XP well" and rumor has it the next version of Windows will outgrow anything and everything you can buy today anyway - some say "This next version of Windows will not even install on a system that does not have some variety of Trusted Computing-enabled hardware on it." based on an alpha test of Longhorn - Paul Thurrott's SuperSite for Windows
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 07 2002 @ 10:00 AM CST |
I've just bought one of these from Walmart. After 1 day, I'm impressed. The keyboard is a little small, but the half spacebar doesn't bother me. The arrow keys where the shift should be, and the small backspace key takes getting used to. Otherwise, I can type as well as on any full size keyboard. The screen is bright, and big enough, and the DVD works well. Looks like the battery will last about 3.5 hours, maybe more once it is conditioned. Nice magnesium alloy case, light, seems pretty sturdy.
I also bought a linksys 802.11 adapter, which loaded right up and connected to my home network quickly and easily.
And to me, the best feature is scroll buttons under the touchpad, allowing me to very easily scroll through Dave's lengthier posts!
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 07 2002 @ 02:34 PM CST |
Thanks for your impressions of it, Mark. I'm much more interested in the experiences of someone who bought something (or whose company bought something) than in the opinions of someone who gets review units and then gets to keep them. Very few reviewers are able to remain objective under those circumstances. But people who paid money for what they bought can be (and usually are) very honest and candid.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 07 2002 @ 06:49 PM CST |
I've just noticed something about the keyboard -- the ketter keys are all normal size, but all the other keys are about 3/4 size. This makes typing pretty easy, but punctuation and editing requires some accuracy. I am a big dude (6'5"), so someone with normal sized hands might not have a problem.
I wanted a small laptop, something I could put in my backpack and use to store photos on, or surf the web at starbucks. The sony 505 (I think) was a possibility, as was the Ibook from Apple. This sotec hits on all of my requirements, but it is not a real desktop replacement. Still, I'd recommend it as a subnotebook those who want a really nice companion notebook.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 07 2002 @ 07:11 PM CST |
Mark, if you have a spot of quiet time, I was wondering how well the on-board sound worked. If you put a favorite CD in the drive and plug in a decent pair of headphones, does it sound good ? Glad to hear the Linksys wireless card worked well, too.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 07 2002 @ 08:15 PM CST |
I have been looking for a thin light laptop for several months. I originally was going to buy a used IBM ThinkPad for under a $1000. I did not want a Dell because I found the CPU fan too loud (I am an audio engineer). When this deal came along I decided to buy it. My impressions:
**Pro:
Fast! 1.2Ghz is nothing to sneeze at. Since it is based on the P-III core (and running at 133Mhz system bus), I can’t complain.
256MB RAM to start-off. Good amount of ram to start of with. Having multiple applications running has not been a problem.
DVD/CD-RW. For such a small computer to have the combo drive is cool. When I run out of space I can burn some files off. The DVD playback is smooth.
LCD screen is very bright and nice output. No bad pixels.
Windows XP. The laptop was all set to go. I turn on the computer, input my information and off I go. Standby and hibernate work every time.
Drivers. I like that on Sotec’s website they have drivers for all the win 98/ME/NT/2000/XP OS. So if I want to install a different OS I can. I don’t know if you can install Linux.
3 USB plugs. I can plug in my USB mouse and Printer at the same time without using a hub.
4 pounds! You are not going to find a new system this light at this price range. All the new $699-$899 laptops weigh at least 6 lbs or more.
Cool. The problem with the AMD laptops is that the chip is so damn hot. I can rest the laptop on my lap and not have to worry about burning my legs.
Built-in LAN and Modem (which runs very fast unlike some other laptops do not give you the full bandwidth).
**Con:
Too bad it doesn’t have speed step like the P-III mobile. The CPU runs at 1.45v where the P-III runs around 1.10v. This would help extend the life of the battery.
Keyboard. It does have a strange placement of the del and backspace key. It will take some time to train myself on the keyboard.
Weak speakers. I understand you are not going to get great sound out of the system but I heard better systems from Dell and HP. You have to modify the settings in the control panel to get it louder. Had to find out about this on their tech support website
Crackling sound in audio output. Since the plug is close to the HD, you hear it spin up and down during the quiet passages. I’m not worried because I am getting an external USB sound converter. The crackling sound is a common problem on the laptops because of the tight space on the systems.
This is my first laptop purchase and I am pleased with the built-in features. I know I can add fire wire or wireless through the PCMCIA slot. I am a happy customer (at least for the past two weeks.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 07 2002 @ 08:20 PM CST |
| I'm no audiophile, but the jazzy Christmas CD I'm listening to now sounds pretty good. I'd say the audio is pretty good,but as I said earlier, the onboard speakers leave a lot to be desired. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, December 09 2002 @ 08:27 AM CST |
| Tyson and Mark, thnaks for the add'l comments. True, if there's any crackling sound in audio output, one could go with either a Sound Blaster® Extigy™ for USB audio or use the PC Card slot for something like a CAC Bullet33 (I'm partial to this one, since it uses TI DSP technology - yes, I work at TI ;) [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, December 09 2002 @ 11:43 PM CST |
Sotec 3120x
1.2ghz Mobile Celeron / 12” XGA / 256MB RAM / 20GB Hard Drive / DVD-CDRW
Office Depot : $804 after 10% coupon and $50 rebate
Who should buy this?
This is perfect for people that understand that “Laptops should be portable” and not “Desktops in a bag”. Its lightweight, packed with everything you need and cheap as heck.
Price:
At $949 retail then this is a steal. You can get it cheaper at walmart/sams club or with coupons at office depot. Yes, there are faster, more powerful notebooks out there but those are in another class. This is an ultralight with onboard dvd/cdrw so for what you get its very affordable
Exterior:
Magnesium Alloy case. I always love laptops that use that. It looks silver in pictures but mine has a hint of blue in it.
Performance:
Well, I understand that laptops don’t need to be equivalent to your home desktop. So the processor being “only” 1.2ghz Celeron doesn’t bother me at all. Its plenty fast for any normal sensible user. Its nice to see that despite the low price it comes with 256mb RAM. My last notebook only came with 128mb so I had to fork over some extra money right away. 256 here will keep me happy for a while.
Ports:
3USB 1.1, Ethernet, 1 PCMCIA, VGA out, headphone and mic jack and modem. Pretty standard stuff. A bit TOO standard for me. No firwire? No S-Video? What about my divx files? This would’ve been a great portable Divx player. The port positioning for some things are weird too. The usb are all on the right side. Meaning, when I put in my USB mouse then its awkward. The usb shouldve been on the other side. Headphone and volume are on the front of the machine and the vga is on the left side. Weird.
DVD/CDRW Drive:
Works like a charm. At 10x burning then its very handy when on the road. Plus DVD’s are always a good time waster. Everything worked as promised.
Battery Life:
I timed it at 2:10 before my 10% warning came up while installing. It ran another 20 minutes before hibernating. I figure that during less strenuous activities then you’ll average 2:45
Screen:
1024x768 on 12” screen takes some getting used to. But since I had that before on my Gateway 3150 then it wasn’t too tough. It is small though compared to what the other guys out there have but again, it’s a laptop. Personally 13” is the sweet spot but 12 is just fine on this guy.
Keyboard:
By far the thing that I hate the most here. Whoever designed this thing in Japan obviously doesn’t understand how keyboards should look. I may be exaggerating but still, this keyboard takes some getting used to. Primarily due the backspace, insert, delete and arrows layout. (See Picture) I am constantly hitting ”end” instead of backspace and “del” instead of the right arrow. “PrtSc”, “Scroll Lock”, ”Num Lock” and “Pause Break” all get their own dedicated buttons on top while “F11” “F12” “Pg Up” ”Pg Dn” are forced to requiring holding down the “Fn” in order to work. Pretty ridiculous.
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid41/p27acfa0b10e29abd3d4e260b22cc43d8/fcf6c733.jpg
Audio:
At first I was upset by how quiet it was. I could barely hear anything. But then someone on the newsgroup pointed out this link on Sotecs site. Once I enabled 3D sound then everything is fine. As far as quality goes, its pretty standard stuff. I do like volume wheels so that you can control the volume quickly without using hotkeys and having it located in front is growing on me.
http://www.sotecglobal.com/us/support/tb/How%20To%20Enable%203D%20Audio.htm
Noise:
Pretty quiet machine. There is a fan on back and on the bottom which turn on when needed and so far they don’t turn on much. Ive had some loud laptops before so this one is pretty good so far.
Software:
WinXP Home, WinDVD 4, Roxio Easy CD Creator 5, MS Works. Well, outside of the incredible WinDVD, the rest are all suck. I partitioned immediately, reformatted and tossed on XP Pro. The thing that irritates me is that you don’t get install CD’s for the software included. Only a restore disk (which is how everyone seems to be doing it nowadays). So I had to get WinDVD 4 through other avenues even though it came with the computer originally.
Upgradeability:
1 slot for Ram upgrades and there already is a 128mb chip in there. So if you want to max it out to 356 MB then you need to dump the 128 and buy a 256. The processor has a “void if removed” sticker and a few screws so it looks upgradeable but outside of that then this is a disposable machine. Hard drive and cdrom and both fixed so 20gb is what you’re stuck with.
Pros:
- Extremely affordable for an ultralight
- Onboard DVD / CDRW
- Quiet
- Magnesium Case instead of plastic
Cons:
- Keyboard layout takes getting used to
- Included software is only available through system restore
- Sotec? Popular in Japan but who knows how they’ll do here
Rex Dart
Eskimo Spy (and Sotec 3120x Owner)
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, December 11 2002 @ 11:23 PM CST |
I've enjoyed reading all of the info you guys have about these little computers! I am thinking baout buying one, but I have have a few questions. I looked on the Sotec website and it says that the laptops are available at Office Depot, Wal-Mart, and Sam's Club. On the Sam's Club website, it cites specs for a Sotec 3123xs instead of the 3120X that the Sotec site introduces.
I cannot find ANY info on the 3123xs except on the Sam's Club website http://www.samsclub.com/eclub/main_shopping.jsp?BV_SessionID=_SC_1060203477.1039669918_CS_&BV_EngineID=cccfadcgmjddgdecfkfcfkjdgoodflh.0&coe=0&n=0&oidPath=0%3A-15464%3A-15489&sort=APRICE&x=2&y=1
Has anyone else found this??
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, December 12 2002 @ 12:03 AM CST |
The only difference I've heard between the 3123xs and the 3120x is that the 3123xs has a 30-gig hard drive rather than the 20-gig drive you'll find at Wal-Mart or Office Depot.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, December 12 2002 @ 10:01 AM CST |
I was tempted to renew my Sam's membership to get the 3123, but I stuck with the 3120. An extra 10 GB wasn't worth renewing a $35 that I never use (Costco has similar stuff and is part of a much less evil empire), considering that I plan on keeping this notebook data-light anyway.
Wally World's web site (that's walmart.com) has the 3120X for $898, plus only $7 shipping. That's the best I could find, since the Office Depot 10% coupon expired last week (the $50 rebate is still good until 12/31/02). My laptop shipped yesterday, and should be here in about a week. They have a 15-day return policy (you pay the shipping) if you change your mind.
Now if HP, Compaq, Toshiba, and Dell would quit confusing the issue with somewhat similar laptops at somewhat similar price points...[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, December 12 2002 @ 12:55 PM CST |
| office depot has a 15 percent coupon now. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, December 12 2002 @ 01:18 PM CST |
| Officedepot online does charge tax, but walmart online does not. The price difference is small then. I ordered one on officedepot for $872 (-15% coupon but +65 tax). I'll see if the rebate works. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, December 12 2002 @ 02:34 PM CST |
| I've been eyeing that Sotec notebook too. But a better comparison to the HP,Toshiba, and Compaq models you were talking about would be the Sotec 820P Notebook With 2 GHz Pentium 4 & CD-RW/DVD. It is faster, has dual firewire, handles more RAM, video out, and is only $998 after $100 rebate from Walmart. Sure it is 3lbs heavier and quite a bit thicker than the 4lb 3120x but its size is closer to the others and with a better feature set. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 21 2002 @ 12:30 AM CST |
| I'm looking to replace my busted Sager notebook. The only usable things are the P-3, 1 Ghz, hard drive and Ram. Anybody know if theres a way to get the 3123 w/o those parts? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, December 21 2002 @ 05:07 AM CST |
| has anyone installed linux yet on the sotec? Do the modem and internal ethernet port under linux? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, December 22 2002 @ 03:03 AM CST |
I've tried installing Linux. Didn't try the modem, but it supposedly should be supported. Ethernet works fine. Everything I tried works except for PCMCIA. Redhat 8 is hard to install becuase it hangs trying PCMCIA. Use "linux nopcmcia noprobe resolution=640x480" at the boot prompt and you can install fine.
I was able to sort of get PCMCIA working briefly, but once I fixed other stuff, it didn't work anymore. I'm no expert at this stuff.
Anyone else try Linux on this thing?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, December 22 2002 @ 01:34 PM CST |
Update: I've gotten PCMCIA working under KNOPPIX, which is a debian derivative. I think RH uses too old of a pcmcia distribution. If anyone else uses one of these under linux, let me know.
I'm starting a web site, http://home.ettus.com/sotec-linux for info on running linux on these babies. Check it out.
Matt
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, December 23 2002 @ 01:14 PM CST |
These laptops are 950 - 150 rebate - 50 rebate = $750 from bestbuy.com with free shipping. Rebates expire the 24th
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, December 24 2002 @ 05:07 AM CST |
The only bad part about buying the laptop from Bestbuy.com is that the extended warrantee is something like $199 for 3 extra years. That is the 3120x model also.
At Sam's Club, we bought the 3123xs with 10 GB extra HD space, for $897 but we got the 3 year extended warranty for only $54.99. So if i did my calculations right, it comes out about the same price, right?
That is the extra 10 GB hard drive.
Aloha,
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, December 24 2002 @ 05:36 AM CST |
This could be another 100 reply article. If I didn't buy my Toshiba 1800-S253 last year, I'd be seriously looking at this.
The good thing is that Knoppix is a cool way of testing Linux compatability on your laptop. But any mainstream laptop (except the modem) should have at least generic Linux support for the peripherals out of the box.
The Sotec does look like a cool buy, though. :)[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, December 27 2002 @ 10:45 AM CST |
may i use this to connect tv (vga to video)? anyone knows?
http://store.yahoo.com/trianglecables-site/1footvgadbma.html[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 01 2003 @ 01:57 AM CST |
So, I stumbled upon this page from Dave's blog. I'm looking at replacing a Dell Latitude CS (the very thin Dell model). It's a PII 400, 12.1 inch screen, one USB port, 6 gig HD.
I run Windows 2000. Anybody know if the DVD player is supported under Windows 2000? I know it has XP Home on it to start with, but the networks that I administer are Windows based, and I would need to add the machine to a domain, hence the need to run something other than XP Home. I don't want to go to XP Pro at this point.
I like the size, and I like the fact that it comes with 3 USB ports.
Thoughts?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 01 2003 @ 08:58 PM CST |
Just picked up a 3120x. Was looking for something between a PDA and my 8lb laptop. Easy to carry and has a screen that I can see without a magnifier. So far I'm really pleased. Nice screen, plenty fast for internet and office apps. Real lite and compact.
I would agree with most of the previous comments sent in except for "really quiet". Mine has an annoying clicking from the hard drive. It escalates to a high pitch rattle as the drive winds up. My daughter told me "there's a rattle snake in the office". Is it normal? Annyone else heard it?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, January 02 2003 @ 12:32 PM CST |
| Hi, Mark, I would say ur hd having defects. That sound always means the hd will stop working or, at least, start to loss data. Get a replacement before u can. BTW, my 3120 is working well. I was using it hours on car trip and no problem. Go Fry's n get a car DC-AC invertor for only $25, way cheaper than DC-DC adapter for laptop. I am happy. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, January 03 2003 @ 11:29 AM CST |
| commentHas anyone seen reviews for the Sotec 820p? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, January 05 2003 @ 02:42 AM CST |
A week ago, I bought three of the Sotec 3123X for my business. Sams Club, $897 w/the 30 GB HD, and a $55 3-year coverage plan. They thought I was nuts when I told them I wanted three.
I have had a chance to play with them all and here are some replies to previous postings in this section:
None of my hard drives make any noise, you should get this fixed. I have hardly heard the fan kick on with any of them. Battery life 3 hours plus, even when running the cd drive to install Win2K
I set-up a duel boot on one of these units and loaded Windows 2000, then downloaded the drivers from the Sotec website. They don't include a CD-RW/DVD driver for Win2K. I have searched a bit on the net and have not found the driver yet. I guess I may email Sotec and/or Matshita/Panasonic. What if I copied it from the XP driver folder and put it in the Win2K folder... anyone know if this will work? I am thinking it has to be entered in the registry by windows?
These little laptops are really very nice machines. I think the screens are easy to to use, the keyboard seems natural for me, and the touch-pad works very well. The port layout is nice and the internal optical is a major plus for me.
I'm counting on these little babies to help my employees be more productive and make me more money.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, January 05 2003 @ 04:15 AM CST |
| I bought myself a Sotec 3120X a couple days ago and so far i'm lovin it. I wanted something i could do alot of different things on. So far i've been running alot of Photoshop 6.0 and Age of Mythology on it.. both run awsome and AOM looks so crisp. I had the shared video at 64mb for awhile and switched back to 32mb and didn't really see a difference. Let me know if anyone finds Windows 2000 drivers for the DVD/CDRW, cause i'd rather be running that than XP. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, January 05 2003 @ 11:33 AM CST |
| I purchased a 3120x with the office depot 10% coupon on nov. 2 2002. I like it. Plays dvd fine, works with smc and robanton (offbrand) wireless cards. Connected to network both wired and wireless without a hitch. Battery life seems great. One of the first things i did was burn a 650 meg file from across my network with the drive and it worked fine. Speakers are not loud but dont believe that is likely in most laptops because of speaker size. Looks cool (silver is my fav color) and weight is unbeatable at this price. I have thought about changing the logo from sotec to sony to see if anyone is the wiser. Friend bought this on my recommendation for work and loves it. She was ostoperiosis (sp?) and needed a light laptop. She got an even better one than mine the 3120xs (only difference i know of is the 30 gig hard drive) for about the same money. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, January 05 2003 @ 10:21 PM CST |
| Any comments for Sotec's 820P laptop. I am having problems with the modem. I have to reinstall the modem after using AOL 8.0 [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, January 06 2003 @ 12:36 AM CST |
I don't have any firsthand experience with the 820P, but modem problems after installing AOL 8.0 are common, or so I'm told by someone who's had to deal with AOL 8.0 and modems.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, January 06 2003 @ 10:46 AM CST |
| Not very sure but I think DVD/CDRW doesn't need drivers in windows. At least I installed two CDRWs on my desktops without any drivers. But you need CD creator to burn CDs (Seems Nero can't recognize this burner). [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, January 07 2003 @ 01:50 PM CST |
The modem works fine for a couple of times and then you have to reinstall. AOL points the finger at SOTEC and SOTEC points the finger at AOL. The manufacturer of the Modem, Smart Link does not appear to have any technical assistance available. SOTEC has no interest in contacting Smart Link to resolve the problem and are thus unresponsive. I suspect they will be unresponsive to most needed firmware and driver upgrades in months to come.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 15 2003 @ 05:55 PM CST |
Hey, Im very tempted to go ahead and get the 820P;
if anyone has any advice/knowledge on the subject and whether I can buy it from anywhere other than Walmart,
feel free to email me. My initial fears about a no name brand were overcome by realizing that they made some laptops for Gateway, and that they have a great record in Japan.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 22 2003 @ 08:41 PM CST |
| Has any one successfully install Windows 2000 on the Sotec 3120x? I just bought one from BestBuy, but I need Windows 2000 for work. The Sotec site has a list of drivers for Windows 2000 -- except for the CDRW/DVD drive. I've just called Sotec's tech support, and the guy I talked to told me he has no idea. (And added, "may be you can modify the XP driver for 2000." Sigh...) [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 22 2003 @ 09:57 PM CST |
Charlie, after booting into XP once, the first thing I did with my 3120X was to install Win2K, Office2K, and the typical plethora of patches and service packs. No hitches there.
I installed Nero, and it couldn't figure out that the CDROM had write capabilities. Windows at least believes that the drive has DVD capability. Haven't played with it much, but I haven't had much luck yet either.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, January 23 2003 @ 03:03 AM CST |
Thanks for your comment, Steve. I've called Sotec again, and this time, talked to someone who seems to know what she's talking about, despite a little attitude problem. She says Windows 2000 doesn't have built-in support for CD-RW (which is true), so it won't allow CDR function like XP. However, with proper burning software, the CDRW should work just fine. I'm going to test and see if my Music Match works as soon as my notebook gets here on Friday; I'll keep you posted.
Also one more question for you: did you format your computer before installing Windows 2000, or did you just install onto of XP?
Thanks again for the info.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, January 23 2003 @ 11:36 AM CST |
Well, Nero wasn't giving me any joy, but I was also using V5.5.0, I think. I'll see if an upgrade helps.
As for installing 2000, I just booted with the install CD in place, and used the formatting capabilities of the installer to repartition my drive. That's how I've always done it, and as a result, the system partition gets formatted anyway. I'm not sure you could install on top of XP anyway. My general rule of thumb with MS OSes is to do a clean install. It avoids any upgrade gotchas and cleans out old registry cruft (and spyware and dead programs you never use anymore and...) to boot.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, January 24 2003 @ 11:52 AM CST |
| do u guys read my post before? nero does NOT support this CDRW. try to use cdcreater. plus CDRW needs no driver under windows. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, January 24 2003 @ 01:47 PM CST |
wolf - I think CDRW doesn't need drivers under Windows 2000 to run as a CD-ROM drive. However, without manufacture drivers -- that is, when you use a generic driver provided by MSFT -- it might be difficult to get 3rd party burning programs to recognize the drive as a CDRW. Anyway, Sotec seems to have conflicting answerson this topic; I've just been emailed the following:
"...after installing Windows 2000, install SP1, SP2, and then driver will be available from Windows update."
Seems like it's pointing back to the generic driver after all.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, January 24 2003 @ 07:35 PM CST |
Sorry, I missed your mention of Nero previously, wolf. And Charlie, don't believe that email. I installed SP2, and Windows Update didn't have any new drivers, except for the audio or video, I believe.
I purposely avoid Adaptec/Roxio CD/Coaster Creator. And I won't be doing much if any burning from this laptop anyway (I have desktop machines for that; this is just a surf and work anywhere machine), so I can probably live without the CDR functionality under Win2K.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, January 26 2003 @ 02:58 PM CST |
My experience of retrofit W2k on a machine (laptop or tower) that ships with WXP(home). The first time, I took the precaution of using the XP CD-burn option to save out the shipped drivers folder from the HDD, among other things. Smart move, because it turned out that W2k happily accepted a driver out of that folder when it came time to install some devices that hadn't been properly detected during the W2k install.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 12:19 AM CST |
| Hi was wondering if anyone has good reviews & prices for a slim usb 3.5 external floppy for the 3123xs? thank you [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, January 28 2003 @ 02:59 AM CST |
| I've just installed Win2K and surprisingly, it recognized my CDRW/DVD drive right away -- indicating that it's a "Matshita UJDA730 DVD/CDRW". My 3120x is now buring an Audio CD using Music Match 6.1. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 29 2003 @ 10:50 AM CST |
Got the 3123xs at Sam's with 3-year warranty. Figure it was a better deal that Best Buy. BB only has 3120 with 20G + extended warranty is $$$.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 29 2003 @ 12:17 PM CST |
Has anyone noticed a sharp noise (it's not loud, but very high-pitched) during battery calibration in the BIOS. In fact, I think whenver I'm in the BIOS (by hitting DELETE at startup), my 3120x makes this high-pitched noise. Anyone?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 29 2003 @ 12:21 PM CST |
| There is a bit of news floating around that Sotec will put WiFi and USB 2.0 in that Sotec 3120 series laptop around April, for about the same price it is now. I think a slight processor upgrade is also in order. I also found out that Twinhead is the ODM (original design manufacturer) for the Sotec 3120x series. I want one, but I can wait for USB 2.0 to make its appearance. :) [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, January 29 2003 @ 01:32 PM CST |
Seems word is really spreading about this little gem. Funny, I just discovered it yesterday while browsing in Office Depot. The update for the Spring would make this a killer purchase.
http://www.zdnet.com/anchordesk/stories/story/0,10738,2909789,00.html[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, January 30 2003 @ 09:07 AM CST |
| Just bought one of the Sotec 3120x's a few weeks ago from Best Buy. I went with them because they had the $150.00 and $50.00 rebates active at the time and so got the machine for $750.00. I have to say this is a great machine for a user wanting a truly portable laptop. So far no complaints except for the keyboard. The layout is odd but at $750.00 who can compain? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 01 2003 @ 04:24 AM CST |
Had to return mine to BestBuy just yesterday. Battery charging during calibration or when in BIOS makes a really high-pitched noise. I called Sotec Tech Support, and the support person actually was able to hear it while we had our conversation. She advised "take it back for an exchange; if BestBuy won't let you return it, we'll exchange it for you."
BestBuy took it back after I demo'd the high-pitch problem. Anyway, I was so impressed by the notebook's other aspects I've ordered myself another one. Hope I'll get a good one this time.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 01 2003 @ 08:55 AM CST |
| I've had my unit for a week or two now, and I've got no complaints besides the keyboard. It *is* a bit awkward, but you get used to it (it's nothing compared to typing on my old Phillips Velo handheld). The touchpad isn't bad, but it slows me down, so I grabbed an optical laptop mouse for $20 to make life easier. Battery life seems good. I've got a DLink AirPlus wireless card and access point going, and I'm liking my new couch potato life. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 01 2003 @ 11:09 PM CST |
I'm also looking for a PDA replacement and the 3120x sounds interesting.
Does anyone know if the hard disk can be replaced without opening up the system and voiding the warranty?
I tend to move hard disks around when I change systems and currently I've a 40MB one (dual booting Linux/WinME).
Thanks.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, February 02 2003 @ 05:43 PM CST |
Does anyone know how well the graphics card works. I'm not very good at finding reviews and stuff so I thought maybe one of you would know.
Thank you
PS This web site is cool
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 03 2003 @ 01:38 AM CST |
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I was wondering if anyone knew exactly what i would have to do to hook up a tv out to this laptop. Also how i can get it to connect to the internet thu my desktops cable modem without having to buy another ip address from cable company?[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 03 2003 @ 08:21 AM CST |
I am planning on purchasing a laptop for my daughter for college. Would this be a good purchase? This is all new to me, any input would be greatly appreciated.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 03 2003 @ 10:59 AM CST |
I'll answer the last three comments at once. :)
Jason, the graphics are pretty good from what I've seen. I haven't tried pushing things with games or anything intense, but the streaming video is as smooth as my desktop with a Banshee-based card. I'll admit that the use of shared memory for video always annoys me, but it's fine for what I do with the laptop.
Shaun, there's no TV out on this machine, so you'll need a modulator to get NTSC from the VGA signals. Radio Shack probably sells one, but you'll probably pay the Rat Shack premium for it. I think Dave mentioned something about this within the past few weeks, so you might try a site search to see what he had to say.
As for sharing multiple machines on one IP, you just need something that'll do NAT (network address translation). Your options are Linux-based solutions (Freesco, Coyote, a full-blown install), Windows-based products (no experience, nor would I want any), or a DSL/cable modem router from Netgear, Linksys, or the like (typically $40 to $60 for a decent one). To me, the hardware router is the best investment in time and money. Give it your "outside world" info, assign IPs to your machine (or turn on DHCP), and start surfing. A Google search will turn up many resources here.
jth, unless your daughter is going to be running high-end simulations on her laptop, this machine will more than suffice. It's got good specs for the typical things college students do: write, surf the web, and do multimedia. :) My only advice is to let her test one out at an Office Depot or some other store that carries it in-house. If she's going to be using it much at all, you'll want to make sure she's comfortable with the ergonomics of the keyboard and touchpad (I'd buy an external USB mouse for any heavy use), and the screen size.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 03 2003 @ 09:16 PM CST |
| Just found this site for the first time on a google search for "sotec". I LOVE IT! I love gadgets, but am hopelessly inept at understanding the behind the seens stuff. I ordered one of these 3120's from Best Buy with rebates for $750 that will be here 2/5. I also ordered an upgrade version of XP Pro because my IT guy at work says HOME doesn't work on our network. Is there anything I should know before I install it? Price was the primary reason for my purchase, and I know my smug IT guy will say its junk. I will use it with office xp, internet, and what I have to beleive is a simple spreadsheet based mortage origination system. I also plan to use a pcmcia card port replicator for monitor and ethernet conections at two office locations and a pcmcia wireless card for home office. Do you forsee any problems? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, February 04 2003 @ 05:09 PM CST |
I'm trying to decide between the 3120x or the more powerful, but heavier, 820p. Anyone have experience with both machines? How do they compare?
Also, is there any way to buy an extended warranty if I purchase the computer through Walmart?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, February 04 2003 @ 10:44 PM CST |
| I've been eye-balling both the Sotec 3120 and 820P. I want to have enough power to play some 3D games on the road. Not sure about the 3120, but think the 820P will be able to handle that with it's sis 650 chipset? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 05 2003 @ 01:35 PM CST |
I found this site after Best Buys $100 notebook rebate expired. Bummer. They still offer the $50 rebate which keeps them at the lowest price. The Sotec site is offering a promotion of a *Free* 32MB Portable USB drive for $9.95 until 2/28. They also sell refurbished 3120's for $799. Here's a current summary of prices ( I didn't compare extended warranties):
Sam's Club.com (30GB) $897.63 + Shipping +$35 membership
Walmart.com $898.00 + shipping
Best Buy.com $901.99 -$50 rebate
Office Depot.com $947 + shipping, tax -$50 rebate
Sotec $909.00 + shipping
Sotec (refurbished)$799.00 + shipping
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 05 2003 @ 04:40 PM CST |
Okay,
I'm going to ask what a few people before me have asked, does anyone know about the 820P??? I've been researching laptops for about a week now and finally found something in my price range that has everything I want. However, everyone is only talking about it's little sister! The people who were asking before, did you buy it, what are your thoughts? Any information on the 820p would be greatly appreciated. Thanks!!![ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 06 2003 @ 12:50 PM CST |
| I just got my Sotec 820P yesterday. I ordered it from Wal-Mart.com. I love it so far. I've never owned a laptop and I thought that this one looked to be the right price. I haven't found out much about it from the net. Everyone seems to be talking about the 3120X model and not the 820p. So far, I'm impressed with it. It's fast and has a great picture. I haven't used all of its functions, but I am looking forward to it. I'll write more as I use it. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 06 2003 @ 03:11 PM CST |
I'm surprised at how long this thread has stayed active. But, since I was one of the earlier posters, and I've had the 3120x for 2 full months now, I'll post an update.
I still love the little thing.
I watch DVDs, surf the net, do email every evening. Even watch ACC basketball and follow the stats in real time. I can't hardly imagine now living without this. I use my desktop only for photo editing. (I've just had to add an additional 80Gig external drive to it, now I'm at 140GB of storage. Unbelievable.)
Battery life is around 3 hrs of normal surfing, more like 1:45 if I'm watching a DVD. All of this with the wireless network attached.
I have had not a single problem with this little laptop. I recommended one to my father-in-law, who bought one shortly after Christmas. He seems to enjoy it as well. I recommend it to anyone who needs a better than basic laptop, but it is not a replacement for a desktop for photo editing or 3D games.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 06 2003 @ 07:10 PM CST |
Very nice site. Helpful :)
You sotec owners might want to check out http://sotec.mine.nu/forum
There's a small community forming :)
cheers!
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 06 2003 @ 09:19 PM CST |
I returned my first 3120 (manufactured in China) because the battery was making a very high-pitched noise and Sotec recommended that I exchange for a new one. This second one I got was manufactured in Taiwan, and boy, there really are some differences. I was skeptical when I read about this topic, but here's what I've found so far with my new, Taiwanese, model:
1. Fan definitely much quieter. Before, the fan sound was similiar to the DVD-spin, but now it's very quiet.
2. Battery charging while in the BIOS is whisper quiet.
3. Packaging inside the box was better.
4. PCMCIA slot much smoother inserting/ejecting cards
5. Battery fits a little tighter (still a little rattling, but very slight)
6. Display contrast is a bit lighter.
Of course the sampling size is too small for any meaningful conclusion, but just FYI. Over all, a much better unit, I think.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 07 2003 @ 07:54 AM CST |
| I'm going to get my Sotec in 20 minutes! I'm really excited. I'll let everyone know how it goes. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 07 2003 @ 01:32 PM CST |
commentThank you all for your inputs on the Sotec laptops. I have been looking at the 820 at wal-mart. If anyone has anymore info about it, I would appreciate some feed back.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 07 2003 @ 07:42 PM CST |
| I bought an 820 before the New Year...works like a charm..its a great deal from Sams Club 1038 with 100 rebate. Not bad..no prblems so far very quiet, runs DVDs extremely well. Hope it stays this way..its a cheap backup to the Dell desktop I own. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 07 2003 @ 09:31 PM CST |
| A co-worker asked me to look at her new laptop, Sotec 820P, because it would not boot. She said turned it on once. After a quick check I determind that the hard drive was not spinning up. Verfied this in the bios which did not detect the hard drive. She purchased it at Walmat.com. Never heard of the Sotec brand or what kind of support they have. I personally found Compaq to have the best, before HP bought them. I will post what and how quick the system is fixed for everyone's info. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 08 2003 @ 12:08 PM CST |
I agree with others who have found this web site useful and, might I add, intelligent. There has been mention of firewire as a possible PCMCIA peripheral for the 3120x series. Has anyone out there tried this as of yet, and more specifically, used it in the application of editing/making digital movies? At this time I am using my wife’s Mac Powerbook, which is great when I can pry her apart from the machine she loves more than me. Perhaps the question I should be asking, is, can any configured PC match the Mac in terms of digital movie making?
Thanks much.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 08 2003 @ 02:07 PM CST |
I bought a 3120X at Wal-Mart back in November. Pretty much right out of the box, the fan made a terrible clatter whenever it ran, and it quickly got even worse. So I exchanged a few days later. Now, 2 months later, my new machine is making the same clatter whenever the fan spins. It's definitely the fan, not the hard drive. I can't tell that anyone else has ever experienced this problem, from reading this site and talking to Sotec people. I have invested a great deal of work getting this machine set up, so I don't want to exchange it. I want to replace the fan. Sotec can't/won't tell me whether the fan is garden-variety or is proprietary. I'd consider losing the rest of my warranty and swapping it out myself if I could be sure before I open the machine that I can buy a replacement. Sotec says they don't sell parts.
I love the machine except for this bad situation and also the keyboard problems that everyone talks about.
Only thing I can figure is that there was a bad batch of fans and, getting two machines from the same store within a few days, I got machines with fans from the same bad batch.
Anyone else had such problems or have any information or suggestions? Thanks much.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 08 2003 @ 03:15 PM CST |
Randy,Unfortunately, I'm the one who had the same problem as you. I do believe your assumption---a bad batch of fans. I got mine from Walmart on Dec 4. I noticed those slight noises as soon as I first booted up. It got worse after passing the exchange period. I didn't send it in for warranty service until two weeks ago I couldn't stand the sound any more and had few things to do with the little toy. It took a total of 12 days including shipping time, and I got it back yesterday. An attached paper indicated that Sotec replaced the fan. After one-day nonstop use, I haven't heard noises. I only can hear the normal spinning sound, not loud though.
Someone in another forum had the same problem and sent it back for repairs in mid-Dec. He is stll active in that forum, but didn't report any problem with the new fan. I noticed that people getting the machine prior to Dec 20 did complain more about the fan issue. Probably Sotec has found the problem and done considerable improvement (I have followed several fora discussing the model).
I think there is good chance to encounter other potential problems if you choose to exchange it for a new one. So, I didn't care to send it in for repairs. It was just a little bit inconvenient because I have only one PC.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 08 2003 @ 10:17 PM CST |
Like a couple of people here, Im looking for more
information on the 820P; can you run data crunching
apps on it ? One slightly worrying factor is that
the level 2 cache is only 256Kb, as opposed to the 512Kb. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 10 2003 @ 10:08 AM CST |
Henry, thanks for the response. I tried something yesterday that seems to be working well for the moment. With the computer off and upside down, I stuck something through an opening in the fan screen and pressed down on the hub of the fan blade. I then performed the fan learning thing, which runs the fan for about 20 minutes. It ran pretty much noiselessly. Then it started making a little noise again as I continued using the computer. I repeated the "press down" routine, only a little harder this time. So far no recurrence of the noise. I did this because the sound didn't really seem to me to be a bearing noise. It seemed to be the tips of the blade hitting the metal housing. I think it might be possible to fix the thing without replacing it by doing something to increase the clearance between the fan blade and the housing. Or perhaps my pressing down harder on the hub of the blade will have fixed the problem permanently. It'll be interesting to see how it comes out eventually. For now, though, I'm not going to send the thing back.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 10 2003 @ 10:50 AM CST |
I received my 3120x last friday. It was a breeze to setup!
The size is perfect and friends are amazed at how thin this machine is. I also bought a 128mb USB drive to transfer files --only $50 dollars and much faster than floppy or cd-r. Everyone should have one of these.
Rating: 4 of 5 Stars. Good performance, features. Be aware of software problems
Good: screen is good and bright. very crisp. The speed is excellent. My friends 1.8 ghz desktop isn't much faster. Portability is wonderful. DVD works flawlessly along with writing cd-rw.
Software Problems: There may be software incompatibility issues with the Sotec. I am well aware that it is not a gaming machine. However, I can't even install a clipart program that would work on my five year old computer. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, February 11 2003 @ 03:31 AM CST |
This a follow up to my co-workers new 820P the had a HD spin up defect. I wanted to check what brand the HD was but it is not installed on a sled that can be easly removed. Appeared to be behind a panel that had a 'void warranty' seal. She has decided to just get her money back and pay a litte more to get a name brand.
From what I saw of it, it seem to a nice system and feature for the price. Notice many people's complaint was it did not have a ps2 or serial port. I really don't think that is a problem since it has 4 usb ports and I can't think of anyone who still used serial devices. I also thought the short space bar was kind of strange but not a big deal.
Randy, Most newer fans are non bearing, brushless. But with as much heat that a P-4 chip and your hd puts out your laptop could heat up pretty quick if that fan isn't blowing correctly. Heat=An early computer death.
Henry, I was suprised to read that it took them 12 days to repair a defected fan... I own a Compaq Armada that I had purchased used but still had 6 months warranty and just after receiving it the internal modem and all the led lights went out. I called Compaq tech support at 9am, 12:45 Airbore Express was at my door with a packing box, then to my supprise it came back a day later. I worked for a small computer Co. and we always tired to get a 24-48 hr repair + shipping time on all rma's. 12 days just seems like an excess amount of time for an easy job like that...[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, February 11 2003 @ 11:40 AM CST |
Regarding the fan: Yesterday I decided to try pressing down on the fan blade hub about as hard as I dared (didn't want to break anything!), and I think I may have felt a little movement like the blade seating more firmly on a spindle. At any rate it's OK so far.
Regarding turnaround time. I imagine that economizing on service is one of the ways of keeping the cost down. I was told that shipping TO the repair facility would be my responsibility; they would bear the cost of return shipping. I don't know whether they match your shipping method or not, but a slow shipment two ways cross-country would eat up most of that 12 days. They told me they guarantee a 72-hour turnaround time in the shop.
Fast service is great, but I imagine most Sotec buyers would be patient with slower service as long as the quality is good, realizing that at some level in the overall product package the company has to save the money they're saving you.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 12 2003 @ 12:49 AM CST |
Yeah, Randy has it right. One negative side for Sotec warranty service is that the laptop owner has to absorb the one-way cost. If I did want fast shipping, only the next-day service would make a difference to me. But the rate difference is too remarkable for a student to afford. I finally decided to use UPS ground for about $13, and Sotec did Fedex ground back. Actually, my laptop slept in their trucks 9 days or so.
As I got it back, I used the tracking number to see when my laptop left the repair center and found it was Monday. Since Sotec's 72-hour turnaround time does not include Sat and Sun, they only spent one day fixing my problem. Now I can say their service is efficient.
Anyway, had Sotec offered a shipping box, the service would have been flawless. My fan has worked pretty well so far.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 12 2003 @ 05:53 PM CST |
| I just want to say thanks to all for posting on this site (and Dave for starting it). This is the place where I've received the most comprehensive feedback on the 820p and the confidence to invest in a Sotec over the next couple of months! :) [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 12 2003 @ 06:46 PM CST |
| I can't say for certain, but in doing some research, it seem that the Matushita UJDA730 DVD/CDRW drive in the 3120X laptop is compatible with ahead nero version 5.5.7.9 and up. Hope this helps someone out. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 13 2003 @ 08:39 PM CST |
| comment I purchased the 820p 2 months ago loaded it with loads of software having it running on a wireless network have burned 20 or so cd's so far not a hitch. No complaints so far. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 14 2003 @ 05:25 PM CST |
I just saw that walmart.com is offering it's $100 rebate on the 820p again. Great news for people who are asking about it but haven't bought it yet. The offer lasts until April. I also found this site on the 820p, everything is useful since info is limited! Hope this helps someone:
http://www.windowatch.com/2003/february/sotec9_2.html#_edn1
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 15 2003 @ 10:21 AM CST |
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Henry & Randy addressed my fan problem with my Sotec, which I find almost impossible to turn loose with my work. I'm digital literacy trainer for e-Polk in Polk county NC, and other jobs involving ESL, literacy, etc. So, I just can't seem to turn loose the laptop for 12 days to fix the fan
I had concluded that the fan is loose, but wasn't sure. I'm going to try the chiropractic method you used, Randy. I bought mine the first week of Dec. 2002, so our laptops are apparently siblings with fan defects. I'll follow your progress with the fan and send my results.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 15 2003 @ 10:51 AM CST |
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Noisy fan--chiropractic adjustment worked.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 15 2003 @ 11:34 AM CST |
| Is Sam's club not going to carry Sotec anymore?, I don't see the laptops on their website anymore. I wonder why that is. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 15 2003 @ 12:34 PM CST |
| I talked to a Sams club representative online and he said that they still carry the laptops but are out of stock for ordering right now. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, February 15 2003 @ 03:36 PM CST |
Carolyn, interesting that we're not too far apart. I'm in Greenville, SC.
My fan has not stayed completely quiet since I wrote a few days ago. It has been clattering a bit on startup, when I think it runs at full speed for a few seconds. So far, though, only at startup. But that's the way it always was before, too. I figure it's likely to repeat its trend toward clattering more and more. If I can get a week or two out of each "adjustment," as you put it, I think I'll stay on with it until close to the end of the warranty period, in case something else is about to go wrong, too. It looks like I'll have to send it in, though.
I have one possible hope, though. If I'm going to wait until the end of warranty, and if nothing else goes wrong, I'd rather buy a replacement fan locally and replace it myself (it won't matter at that point if I break the warranty sticker). It would probably cost less than shipping/insurance to send it off, and it's probably not more than a 15-minute job.
Does anyone know whether the 3120X fan is some kind of generic fan that can be purchased from a computer store? So far I haven't been able to get the Sotec people to answer that question.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 17 2003 @ 10:38 AM CST |
| commentthis is a great site, very helpfull, thanks for all the work it takes to maintain it. jec [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 17 2003 @ 11:38 AM CST |
| I got my Sotec about 2 weeks ago, and it wasn't until yesterday that my fan started making noises. It sounded like blades hitting the casing, similar to Randy's fan. So I tried the chiropractic technique and now it's back to normal. If anyone else has that kind of noise coming from the fan, I suggest trying this before sending it back. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 17 2003 @ 07:43 PM CST |
I ordered my 820p from Walmart.com yesterday. I will post any info I get later.
One thing I want mention here is Walmart do take tax right now, since I read some one wrote his or her comments said Walmart did not charge tax.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 19 2003 @ 06:58 AM CST |
Just ordered one from BB this weekend. For those of you have have successfully set up a dual boot (ie win98 and xp), how did you do it? If you install win 98 on the c: partition can you "restore" the xp system to the d: partition? How big should I make the win 98 partition if I just want it for running office 97?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 19 2003 @ 03:39 PM CST |
| I've had my 3120 for a couple of weeks now, and havn't had any hardware problems. Software is a different story however: I have had zero luck getting diablo to run. Does anyone know of games that run well on the notebook? It would be nice to know in advance; Warcraft 3 (demo version) installed perfectly and runs beautifully, other games I have tried give mixed results. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 20 2003 @ 03:46 PM CST |
Randy and Carolyn. I bought my Sotec 3120X from Office Depot on January 7th and have been using it continuously since then. I love this little machine (my previous laptop was a mamoth Dell Inspiron) and am getting used to the keyboard (why did they put the Del key next to the right arrow?).
About two weeks ago I started hearing that fan clicking noise that Randy and Carolyn described and used the Randy technique to fix it earlier today. So far the noise hasn't returned (thanks for the tip Randy!).
The one complaint I have does not involve Sotec at all, but Windows XP (and any version of windows I've ever used). A few weeks ago I checked for and installed Windows updates and now it takes more than twice as long to boot up the computer. I've found this problem with all my windows machines. The more you update them the more cumbersome and buggy they get. I just installed a Linux machine (Debian distribution) in my lab for the first time and am LOVING it! Linux will be the wave of the future!
This website and thread is a great resource for us Sotec converts![ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 21 2003 @ 12:42 AM CST |
| i've had my 3120x for about 2 months now and i've lately been hearng this sound like a marble dropping inside the machine. It makes the sound pretty constantly after the computer has been running for bout 5 min. i was wondering if anyone else has been having this problem? i haven't called sotec yet but probably will soon. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 21 2003 @ 05:46 AM CST |
| I ordered the 820P from Wal-Mart last night. Chris is correct about the tax. It added $54.90 to the cost here in Maryland. The $100.00 rebate will at least off-set that. I did go by the local Office Depot just to take a look at the construction of the 3120X that they stock. The screen and construction look good and convinced me to go ahead and place the order. I wish Office Depot had the 820P in stock so I could be writing this from a new machine !! [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 21 2003 @ 04:52 PM CST |
Where is the best deal now on the 3120x.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 21 2003 @ 06:19 PM CST |
| Best Buy has it for $799 after two mail in rebates, plus a 24 month 0% finance deal. The service agreement is $$ but I went with it because it is so close to my home and is well known. Has anyone seen a better deal lately? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Friday, February 21 2003 @ 06:21 PM CST |
| Having trouble with modem.... taking it back [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, February 24 2003 @ 12:53 AM CST |
| I still believe the best deal on this little guy is to be found either at Sam's Club or Best Buy. Sam's Club is the way to go if you want the extra 10gb of hard drive (model 3123sx) and a cheaper 3 yr extended warranty ($54). Sam's cost, $897 (w/o ext warr) + membership. At Best Buy, you can get the 20gb version for $800 (after rebates of $100 and $50, and free shipping). If you need the 30gb, can't bear to pay for a Sam's membership and you are willing to hand over 900 bucks to a perfect stranger, you could always camp out by the entrance and ask some guy to buy you a 12 pack of Michelob and a Sotec 3123sx. Your call. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, February 25 2003 @ 04:05 PM CST |
Hey Bob, I did the same as you. A few weeks back I checked out the 3120X at Office Depot just to see what it was like and last week I finally ordered it from WalMart (glad I waited until they brought the rebate back). I too desperately wish that Office Depot stocked the 820p, especially since you can buy an extended warranty through them. Oh well.
Question - has anyone played the DVD component while it was hooked up to their TV set. If so, how well did it work?
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 26 2003 @ 04:39 AM CST |
| I almost decided to buy Sotec 3120x, but I have one doubt: I travel a lot and I would need 110/220 AC-DC adapter. Is the adapter that can be bought with 3120x this kind of an adaptor, or is better to look for one in a local store? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 26 2003 @ 02:15 PM CST |
Well my 820P was delivered today. I checked the Airborne Express tracking from work and saw they where "Out for Delivery." I decided to go home at lunch and to my horror the package was left proped against the door!!
Anyway, I have to say the 820P is more than I had hoped for right out of the box. The screen is brilliant. The D-Link 650+ wireless card installed without any problem. I seams fast with the factory installed 256mb ram especially running Windows XP. Still, I'll install an additional 512mb soon and take it up to the max 1gb by years end.
The DVD player worked well. I would not really want to watach a movie ona laptop, but in a pinch it would do.
Here's to keeping my fingers crossed that the laptop holds up in the long run. I'll check in after using working with the 820P after a while.[ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, February 26 2003 @ 03:17 PM CST |
Love my 3120x, however one burning question
regarding the modem. I have never seen a
port such as one on the Sotec; what type of
modem cable do you need to connect modem to
wall jack? The connector on the Sotec seems
very oddball to me, maybe I need to get out
more. Where can you buy such a cable?
Thanks all..
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Thursday, February 27 2003 @ 03:13 PM CST |
| I got my 820p today - WOOHOO!!! I can finally hook up my PDA (that I got last month) to a computer :) [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Saturday, March 01 2003 @ 09:00 AM CST |
| For those having trouble with games the problem is that out of the box the sotec does not have any 256 color video modes. Any program tht uses 256 colors will not work. The answer is to remove the video driver and reboot. The machine will boot in to a 640x480 256 color mode. just set the res back to 1024x768 and your desired color depth. The 256 color modes will be available from then on. Suspend and Hibernate will work again after another reboot. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Sunday, March 02 2003 @ 10:46 PM CST |
| Hello and good day to you all. I just bought the sotec 820P. I have yet to recive it yet, but I'm soo excited to recive it, the only ? that i have is, can you upgrade the hard drive? I have no knowlage of computers acutaly i really don't even know what the hard drive does, but it have been told that 20 GB is pretty small. Can anybody help? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Monday, March 03 2003 @ 01:57 PM CST |
| Looking for DVD-ROM CD-R/RW, drivers, for Matshita UJDA730. Can someone help me? [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, March 04 2003 @ 02:05 PM CST |
| Hey "secondtonoone" I'm sorry to say that you cannot upgrade the harddrive. Well, actually you can but it would be better to buy a new computer than to go through all the hassle it takes to upgrade a hard drive on a notebook. I can tell you that while I had reservations about the 20g's at first myself, it's more average than small. If you don't plan on doing any large applications (such as Photoshop) you'll be fine. And remember, things can always be deleted from the hard drive so if you do start to run out of room, I'm sure you'll realize you have something on there that you no longer need - just delete it and some space will open up. I just received my 820p last week and I love it. Best of luck!!! [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Tuesday, March 04 2003 @ 04:32 PM CST |
the newer version of nero update/upgrade can use the DVD/CDRW drive, it's free upgrade if you have nero 5.5.
I use nero on my sotec without any problem, nero is far better than easy cd creator.
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 12:56 AM CST |
| Thanks alot elly. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 02:52 PM CST |
| Sam's is the best deal still for the 3123XS if you consider it is 30G drive + $54 for a three extended warranty. Probably worth a membership fee for a year. [ Reply to This ]
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| Authored by: ImportedComment on Wednesday, March 05 2003 @ 05:48 PM CST |
I've owned my 3123X for almost 2 months. I use the machine for taking notes at school, and it is a great little machine - and I wouldn't part with it except for maybe the built in wireless in the new 3120 laptop.
Here's my negative comments and maybe some observations that will help out others.
1 - Odor - the processor/heatsink emits a slight odor - but don't despair - I think it has gone away with use...
2 - DVD player - try playing DVD's without the laptop plugged into the power cord - mine has a problem playing with out freezing every couple seconds - it can get really annoying - the sound is fine... just the video is having problems. I've attempted to adjust the amount of memory available to the video adapter and the # of colors and resolution, but it persists. I've tried several different players - still not fixed. I've come to the conclusion that maybe Windows XP is too much for this laptop when it is running on the battery alone and perhaps it is 'throttling' the processor. I've considered upgrading the amount of physical memory to 384 and see if that fixes it yet, but I can live without DVD's 99% of the time.
3 - Linux - I used Partition Magic 8.0 to create a second partition (4.3 GB) for linux and a third boot (53 MB) partition for Boot Magic. Proceeded to install Mandrake Linux 9.0 and had no problems at all with the install - nothing special - no scsi problems as has been reported with RedHat, et.al. Mandrake doesn't support APM/APCI for laptops (yet) so you can't tell how much battery power is left, or take advantage of any power saving sleep mode (which I've never experienced in linux yet), but maybe they'll address APCI in 9.1 - so we'll see in a few more months... Ethernet worked just fine - didn't attempt to see if the modem would work (I assume that it is like most modems and is a WinModem which is difficult to support in linux). Need linux and a modem? Buy a PC card modem. I've succesfully used a PC Card modem in an old Thinkpad 233 MHz/96 MB with Mandrake 8.0.
4 - USB 2.0 - I understand that a USB 2.0 external drive should be able to operate with a USB 1.1 master at the slower rate (12 Mbps) ... well - my Archos Jukebox Recorder 20GB MP3 player had really serious problems... I tried many different driver upgrades/reinstalls... and came across a site that specifically states that Windows XP and the USB hardware that is built into the 3120/3123X has some bugs - even with the XP patch it is still a little buggy. It works for everything that I've used (Samsung printer, IOMega zip drive, Imation iMac floppy drive, 32 MB Sotec Flash drive) except for this USB 2.0 device. The solution? Bought a USB 2.0 card at CompUSA for $50 and now it works flawlessly AND FAST - didn't even need to install a driver as XP recognized the PC Card immediately.
5 - CD Burning - Again ... I'll preface that my experience with XP is limited to this laptop alone. I've burned a few MP3 CD's for a portable CD player, and I find that there are serious audio glitches if I burn at 16x - less at 8x - and practically none at 4x. I do not recall if this was with or without the power cord plugged in. It may be that XP is too much of an OS for this little processor when its processor is being throttled back to conserve energy. I'm not certain if more RAM will improve this or not.
6 - Chattering noise - I've not heard anything resembling hard drive noise (unless I'm listening to headphones and have the volume turned all the way up and hear a little background noise as the hard drive spins up or down) ... but the fan does chatter every time the laptop is turned on (which goes away as soon as the Windows XP boot screen appears) - and occasionally as it is running. I'm trying to see if reseating the fan with a little extra pressure helps or not.
7 - Speakers/audio - Audio is superb with headphones - the speakers are lacking when in a mildly noisy environment. If you want to boost your sound a little - you can attempt to turn on the "3D Depth" option in the Volume Control - click on "Advanced". It helps in some instances, and in other instances it produces a serious amount of echo/feedback which is very annoying depending on what you are listening (this is with the mic muted). It sounds like an aweful lot of reverb when it sounds bad.
8 - Modem - This works great when plugged into power. It has a hard time negotiating a connection when running on battery p |