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    Mixing beer and evangelism   
    Sunday, January 28 2007 @ 06:35 PM CST
    By David L. Farquhar

    There's a story in today's Post-Dispatch about a local congregation and its dispute with the Missouri Baptist Convention. It seems the church has been encouraging its members to go to bars, and the convention isn't happy about that.

    I agree with the pastor of the church: The people aren't going to come to you, so the church has to find people where they are.

    I don't drink. I don't remember now if the last time I drank alcohol outside of communion was at a friend's wedding in June 2003, or at my sister's wedding in September 2003, but in either case, it's been three years since I had a drink. I generally agree with the Southern Baptist idea that the world would be a better place without alcohol. Alcohol destroyed my relationship with my Dad, and alcohol played a role in the disintegration of two romantic relationships before I met my wife. So I'm not a fan of the stuff.

    But there was a time, when I was 23, when I'd go out for a beer with three of the guys from my Bible study group in Columbia, Missouri. We'd meet up for the group, go through the lesson and discussion, then go get a beer. Usually the discussion from the study carried over there. While some fundamentalists disagree, the Bible doesn't say alcohol consumption is a sin. It says drunkenness is a sin.

    I'd rather people didn't drink, but that's not practical. Nothing I can do is going to stop people from drinking, so there's no point in me making a big deal about it.

    The Bible is very clear about one other thing though. They say to go find hurting people and bring healing to them. And I really can't think of a better place to find hurting people than at a bar. When people have had a bad day, a bad week, a bad year, or a bad life and they don't know what else to do, frequently they go have a drink. It doesn't solve their problems, but at least it helps them forget them for a while.

    And that's no secret. Even alcoholics know that alcohol doesn't actually solve any of their problems.

    And that's the natural place for a church to come in. The bar doesn't have any solutions, but the church does.

    Evangelism, whether at a bar or anywhere else, is a gift and it's possible to do as much harm as good. So if the Missouri Baptist Convention doesn't know how to evangelize in bars and doesn't want to do that, it should stay out.

    But if a group knows how to do it and is helping people--and The Journey must be doing more than one thing right because it has 1,300 members and has planted another church and is planning to do another--then it shouldn't be condemned for it. Most churches are aging and shrinking; The Journey's median age is 29. It's reaching a generation that very few other churches have had any success reaching.

    Frankly, other churches need to be learning from it.

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    Mixing beer and evangelism
    Authored by: dhuff on Wednesday, February 07 2007 @ 08:34 AM CST

    The "young adult" ministry at our parish (20s and 30s) does frequent Spirituality on Tap sessions at a local fancy, imported beer pub (a small chain called The Flying Saucer) where they invite one of the clergy to give a short talk on some topic. Could be anything from church history, some specific topic in Scripture, to our new building project.

    Of course, this is a bit different from what you're reporting on above. The bar in question isn't typically someplace the avg person goes to get wasted, and the attendees are already people involved in church (tho' friends are always welcome :)

    These are very popular events, usually drawing a big crowd, and the level of conversation is quite stimulating and enjoyable. It's one of several things our very active & successful young adult ministry does that contributes to this group being engaged and involved with parish life.

    (Oh, BTW - another difference is that we're Episcopalian. The Episcopal Church generally has never had a problem with responsible, social drinking as long as it's not a detriment in the life of a specific individual. As Dave said above, the Bible warns against being a drunkard, not against drinking itself - i.e all things in moderation :)

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